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9-30-2008 7:34 AM
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merrie says:
This subprime lending was more than a minor relaxation of existing credit guidelines. This lending was a wholesale abandonment of reasonable lending practices in which borrowers with poor credit characteristics got mortgages they were ill-equipped to handle.

Once housing prices declined and economic conditions worsened, defaults and delinquencies soared, leaving the industry holding large amounts of severely depreciated mortgage assets.

The fact that government bears such a huge responsibility for the current mess means any response should eliminate the conditions that created this situation in the first place, not attempt to fix bad government with more government.

The obvious alternative to a bailout is letting troubled financial institutions declare bankruptcy. Bankruptcy means that shareholders typically get wiped out and the creditors own the company.

Bankruptcy does not mean the company disappears; it is just owned by someone new (as has occurred with several airline
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9-30-2008 7:41 AM
merrie
[...] necessary to prevent economic collapse. According to this view, lenders are not making loans, even for worthy projects, because they cannot get capital. [...]if the bailout does not occur, more bankruptcies are possible and credit conditions may worsen for a time.

Talk of Armageddon, however, is ridiculous scare-mongering. If financial institutions cannot make productive loans, a profit opportunity exists for someone else. This might not happen instantly, but it will happen.

Further, the current credit freeze is likely due to Wall Street's hope of a bailout; bankers will not sell their lousy assets for 20 cents on the dollar if the government might pay 30, 50, or 80 cents.

The cost...
9-30-2008 8:14 AM
deb2012
most subprime loans were made by firms that aren’t subject to the CRA. University of Michigan law professor Michael Barr testified back in February before the House Committee on Financial Services that 50% of subprime loans were made by mortgage service companies not subject comprehensive federal supervision and another 30% were made by affiliates of banks or thrifts which are not subject to routine supervision or examinations. As former Fed Governor Ned Gramlich said in an August, 2007, speech shortly before he passed away: “In the subprime market where we badly need supervision, a majority of loans are made with very little supervision. It is like a city with a murder law, but no cops on t...
9-30-2008 9:41 AM
merrie
The problem is that government is meddling in the private
financial industry and setting lending practices that are
extremely risky. They had a name for the sub-prime type
mortgages, Ninja loans, no income, no job, no assets.
The bailout is rewarding bad behavior and putting the people who were resisting reform and creating the problem in charge of this monstrosity.
9-30-2008 9:52 AM
deb2012
I agree merrie, if you check my clips I've been posting about the grass roots campaign against the bailout, which I have participated in. The markets should be free to fail, the criminals should be prosecuted. The cleansing will reform anyone who participated in overextending themselves, and the uber wealthy wall streeters will send their money to overseas bank accounts. Likewise, the liberal elites will send their charity overseas, and our impoverished will remain stuck, although a larger percentage of the population, thanks to all of this. Hopefully, mccain or obama will do as they promise and reform the lobby, earmark, campaign finance ethical lapses that the system has become. And peo...
9-30-2008 7:42 PM
sillysam
The problem got worse when Freddie and Fannie execs (who are now advising Barack) bought up all this crappy paper in order to inflate the portfolio of Fannie and Freddie. Franklin Raines made $90 million worth of bonuses because of the practice.
9-30-2008 9:59 PM
merrie
bought up all this crappy paper in order to inflate the portfolio of Fannie and Freddie. Franklin Raines made $90 million worth of bonuses because of the practice.

.....(CDS) the credit default swaps that was occurring under the radar (derivatives - non-regulated hedge trading) made the problem worse.

I would love to see a class-action suit on behalf of the share-holders who lose their investments. Also, criminal investigation would be in order, but that would depend on who will be in the White House.
9-30-2008 11:22 PM
masbury
I agree, Merrie, about the class-action suit. I've read, as well, that the FBI has begun investigations into several large firms.
9-30-2008 11:45 PM
merrie
I agree, Merrie, about the class-action suit. I've read, as well, that the FBI has begun investigations into several large firms.

I actually meant criminal probe of congressional members who gave cover for the pernicious practice and all the while denying there was any problem. But congress members are protected from criminal, but not civil law-suits.
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