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3-29-2008 3:55 PM
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3-29-2008 3:56 PM
abailart
<<<Marketers, political organizers, and other social engineers are tracking, capturing, and controlling people right now. They track the marks you make, how you vote, the websites you visit, and where you spend your money. They know your timetables, they feed you the media you passively consume. Humanity was captured long ago by the meme of civilization, and ever since civilization has been working on humanity’s domestication. Domesticated animals are treated in a different manner than wild beasts. The emphasis shifts from finding and capturing individuals to managing and controlling the herd. The herders hand down schedules to determine in advance where the individuals will be, and when the...
3-29-2008 3:58 PM
abailart
<<<Of course, looking at life in this kind of metaphor for too long will probably trigger some paranoid ideations. It’s all too easy to fall prey to a ludic fallacy of viewing all of reality as a virtual space constructed by our patterning brains busy assembling fragmented signals and then filling in the gaps between the connections of our associative networks. As our conscious experience lags behind the events and actions of our lives, reality looks like an explanation made up after the fact. However, a certain amount of life-as-game analogy does open up enormous possibilities for triggering change in the world. As a friend of the authors says, ‘Be the change you want to see in the world.’
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3-29-2008 7:09 PM
syncopath
World Wide Web, interconnectivity etc. .. carry some positive notions of openness accessibility etc. But seems that not only. No matter what new availability will come true by new technology it is the basis of Human nature (?) or human mind (?) that will have to evolve.
Otherwise the need to control to abuse information and all kinds of power games will go on 2b leading themes (as ever) .. just quicker stronger and more 'efficient' than ever before.
3-30-2008 5:30 AM
Fast T friend
As our conscious experience lags behind the events and actions of our
lives, reality looks like an explanation made up after the fact
But is our conscious experience (inevitably) lagging behind the events?
If it is indeed the case for many of the modes our consciounsess is active in, surely there are still such modes/concsious events as dreaming, envisioning, getting ahead of events, hence perhaps creating a viable explanation for reality to take shape.
3-30-2008 6:21 AM
abailart
FT, hi. Think you are right. And think both similes or metaphors or concepts etc are right. And there are more that are right on that we have not thought about. The tone or the voice of the book is pretty much the experience of tenuous shimmering and certainly by its form seems to me to challenge linear fixing, boxing in etc. And I have a feeling you agree and disagree, and are capable of doing both of these at the same time, with what I have said and not said.
3-30-2008 8:19 AM
Fast T friend
abailart, i am not sure i get your meaning (other than saying you think i'm right) specifically am not sure what you refer to in 'both similes' .
As to agreeing and disagreeing, and moreover, as to being capable of doing both at the same time - i generally treat it as a sign of emotional intelligence. If I knew in relation to what you refer to this 'agreeing', i would gladly respond.
In a confessional tone i'll admit that i sometimes get the feeling you are so generous with your credit of my understanding, that you code the comments addressing me in some intelligent fashion that calls for much interpretation and creativity on my part. Its not bad, but i occasionally feel like i'm out on a limb trying to catch the meaning
3-30-2008 8:45 AM
abailart
FT. I think you are right to point to other ('forward looking') faculties, and other levels of thinking. I think that you are able to distinguish between the use of discursive, symbolic communication (close, precise, logical, conventional or usage-agreed), and the appropriateness at times of using 'poetic', allusive language, creative thinking. My reference to <simile, metaphor,concept etc> by bringing together the use of imagery and the use of conceptual intelligence was very compressed, and I am sorry for being like this especially on a sunday, but in sum: there is discursive thinking, there is 'poetic' thinking, and a position that is aware of both. This sum is a highly simplified concept...
3-30-2008 10:10 AM
Fast T friend
um.. abailart, you may have your hands full ...or perhaps entirely empty, trying to catch me but thanks nevertheless...
now that it seems we better understand each other, I'll try moving on, because aside from the side-track I took here, I think the point really is, how do we treat memes. Some tend to adopt a view that is driven by fear or apprehension that yet again memetics is disowning us of being in charge of our lives. I hold the opposite view in that I think its a wonderful playground. I think we are smart programmers and able to tweak with the 'instructions'. So to me there isn't really a solid line differentiating 'poetic' from 'logical'. I think we are creative within both these mantles.
3-30-2008 2:32 PM
abailart
I agree entirely with your last sentences, and tried to say the division was very simple (transitory, provisional) and that the recognition of this is the last sentence of your comment.
More importantly, totally agree with your general view of the memes issue. And so does the book, and its general sources on greylodge. Very much do I agree. I would not like to be thought disowning autonomy, but it is sunday and anyway not appropriate to go through all the stuffing of determinism etc. Agreement can be clouded by lack of clarity, and then clarification is called for, but there is a deeper level of agreement more characterised by interest, orientation, and values (not moral, aesthetic or politi...
3-30-2008 4:06 PM
Fast T friend
And you too, see you on Monday Monday... btw, perhaps with ever increasing clarity there would be no significance to agreement/non agreement....
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