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2-15-2008 4:06 PM
splendidus
The intellectually gifted need an education which expands rather than
diminishes their cognitive capacities and their creative potential.Since such an education is rare and not likely to be instituted any
time soon, intellectually gifted adults are left with the task of
educating themselves as best they can.
Do somebody know resources about such education methods?
2-15-2008 6:43 PM
syncopath
"no straight lines in nature" .. !!?

or just have a look at Gaudi's work -)
2-16-2008 6:28 AM
carrerinyes
Interesting clip, remember "Pulp Fiction"..?
2-16-2008 6:45 AM
Fast T friend
Do somebody know resources about such education methods?
splendidus, I don't know about methods, as these must, to some degree at least, render itself to straight lines; though how about curiosity, daring, openness, interaction?...
2-16-2008 9:35 AM
splendidus
Curiosity and openness I have (I think), daring and interaction not that much I 'fear'
I'm not sure that helps to de-linearize my way of thinking, which seems to be as linear as it could be.
I sometimes realize that I have to try really hard, when I want to think out of the box and find a way to use the information I have in a 'different' way to produce something new; my thoughts insist to remain on the line (or in the box).
A 'straight' forward solution for me would be a method (an exercise) I can use 'straight' away, that improves/changes my thinking/brain.
2-16-2008 2:21 PM
abailart
The clip is from a site which focuses upon the problems of gifted adults. These problems can include not being understood, becoming depressed and isolated, and so forth. Part of my interest is in how gifted children need special help and recognition, for it is assumed too often that being 'creative' is a recipe for happiness. It isn't.
Having said that, and hopefully suggested that creative people's frustrations do not necessarily lead to looking down upon the vast majority, 'creativity' itself is a part of everybody's potential. Too often this 'spark' is smothered by dull necessities. The book that masbury suggested to us recently, The Creating Brain by Nancy C. Andreason is a wonderfu...
2-16-2008 4:37 PM
splendidus
Thanks for the book tip abailart. Will try to read it in the near future.
I have a little cousin, whose education I do care for. I was looking for methods I could integrate into our plays and activities, to nurture his talents and creativity. And some advice for myself would be also not bad

Highly giftedness is not only about creativity I understand. But creativity is an effect of such a mind. I wonder if it is always so; and how a high cognitive mind could be noticed/detected... Maybe I'll find an answer in the clipped site...

Thanks also for the clip. I read one article and already came across some interesting information:
MRI studies show increased blood flow to specific parts...
2-16-2008 4:51 PM
abailart
If you read the Andreason book you'll see that creativity is not correlated with intelligence after a certain point. Some very intelligent people are not 'creative' in the special sense she is interested in.
Introversion is associated with high arousal levels in the brain, so whereas extraverts who have lower arousal levels seek out external stimuli to bering their arousal levels up, introverts find too much stimulation uncomfortable. It is indeed hard to put on a social face if you are introverted sometimes, as you so often feel uncomfortable while the majority of people around you appear and are far happier with the context.
2-16-2008 4:59 PM
abailart
Oh, and splendidus, maybe can I add that if you don't think in straight lines, have stereotypical and conformist linear thought patterns, you are likely to be a bit of an outsider socially (on top of the introversion thing!). Also, 'creativity' is not about being an interesting person or a poet or a well known guru: creativity in the sciences, for instance, in mathematics and physics, the challenging of accepted and standard theories and paradigms, the quest to connect stuff up in new ways or to try to answer questions no one has even asked before etc - are often the road to being a bit of a loner!
2-16-2008 5:26 PM
splendidus
'Put on a social face' describes the tiring process quite right...
But I didn't know that it had to do with high arousal levels. I sometimes worry too much about what to say, and how to say it to be clear and avoid ambiguity, or what not to say to avoid offending someone. I thought this could be the reason for my tiring, and practice would reduce my efforts and hence the headaches.

There are certain known tools and algorithms to solve certain problems. To try to combine them in different ways or enhance them to solve other problems, or to find better solutions... That takes me really a lot of effort.
I imagined a highly cognitive mind is wired in such a way, that this kind of thinking is mu...
2-16-2008 5:32 PM
splendidus
Are "not thinking in straight lines" and "having conformist linear thought patterns" not contradictory things?
If not, I misperceived one of the both...
2-16-2008 5:36 PM
splendidus
Oh, wait, sorry... The "don't" before the "think" affects both... Sorry..
2-16-2008 6:49 PM
abailart
Don't be sorry! If you're thinking about your thinking you're already thinking 'outside the box' !
2-17-2008 5:20 AM
Fast T friend
Don't be sorry! If you're thinking about your thinking you're already thinking 'outside the box' !
What box?

that's where i begin
2-17-2008 5:31 AM
abailart
I see where you are coming from fast T, though that place is the same place where the box isn't nor the place where it isn't, nor you nor my seeing why I do not see at all.
2-17-2008 10:25 AM
splendidus
If you're thinking about your thinking you're already thinking 'outside the box' !
That's motivating, thanks!
What box?
The first box, I'd imagine; once you're outside you become aware... (Or once you become aware, you're outside?)
And other boxes are to follow, hopefully.
2-17-2008 10:28 AM
Fast T friend
And other boxes are to follow, hopefully.
By all means!
2-19-2008 1:22 AM
pokkets
Time space is a subset of the continuum. In this time line, while it may not be correct to describe it as a destiny, only one thing will happen in any particular subdivision. i.e. only one horse will win a race, either before or after a race. We are limited in our perspective due to the fact that we still remain in this time line, but essentially, it is only ever NOW. We are sequentially presented with choices, but as we continue into the future, only one choice will ever be made, so in essence the future is already 'set' We see the 'Universe' in this way, because we have evolved to operate within these '4' dimensions. This present existence is our introduction to sentient reality (as far as...
2-19-2008 1:48 AM
pokkets
Perhaps the religious overtones were a bit strong, but often thinking outside the box can take a leap of faith into the unknown. Often people are afraid to make that leap and assure themselves security is the biggest priority. There is also the cryptic question problem, that so often after the answer to a cryptic question is found, it can seem so easy once the 'twist' is noticed, that it can be impossible to remember how hard it was to find. Very often they can be questions where there can be no hint that will not lead directly to the answer. Thinking outside the box can require of perhaps a lifetime of practice, and the readiness to be prepared to make mistakes, the ability admit to them wh...
2-19-2008 5:21 AM
abailart
Wonderful comments, pokkets. I've lately taken to using the Buddhist concept of samkhara as a 'holding metaphor' to think about how, outside of the spatiotemporal embedding of fixed identity and destiny, outside the time of grammar and movement, something like a tangle or an entelechy grows or evaporates, is part of a universal that comes from, to and through us (metaphorically, of course) to be released at death as it was 'bent towards' us at birth. That this is a 'scientific' analogy, difficult to express fully as it ultimately can only express itself through us/me, means that one must for ever never be able to express that the poetic, mysterious and imaginable are words that mean nothing in the earthbound words of the world.
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