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3-15-2008 3:11 AM288 views
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3-15-2008 3:13 AM
alanocu
Her name is Sally Kern. Feel free to let her know how you feel about this.

Capitol Address: 2300 N. Lincoln Blvd. Room 332 Oklahoma City, OK 73105 (405) 557-7348.
District Address: 2713 Sterling Ave., Oklahoma City, OK 73127.
Email: sallykern@okhouse.gov
3-15-2008 4:33 AM
willhelm
POP out of the sheer stupidity of Sally Kern. However, I do not believe there is such thing as hate speech. There is only free speech and some of it just happens to be stupid and from hateful people. If you begin to label some speech as "hate speech", you will do so at your own peril because as it becomes more taboo you would never know that the Sally Kerns of the world exist.
3-15-2008 5:56 AM
debbyski
Lord knows we can't have hate becoming taboo. And shame on you Alanocu for speaking out against the Sally Kerns of this world at your own peril.
HAHA, after being in the closet for so many years, I can tell you that Sally Kerns does exist, and when given the chance she will be the first one to pull your panties off with her teeth and moan and groan and want what she desperately hates so very much. Oh yeah, I've seen her kind many times in my church group, my neighbors, or outside a gay bar. I've seen women be avoided like the plague for looking too butch. I've heard ppl tell gay men to "go home faggot" while walking on their way home. The problem with being in the closet is not only is it...
3-15-2008 7:38 AM
righthand
Bigger threat than BUSH???
Bigger than the brainless fundamentalist Jesus-hating Christian Zionists???
Destroy this nation?? What planet??

What were the consequences for this person?
Don't you have hate speech or is it only as determined by ADL?

Alanocu, chin up boy. Norris for president of Ireland, right? That was for you and I believe it too. He's a credit to Irishness and much loved.
3-15-2008 7:50 AM
alanocu
During my college years at Oklahoma City University, I had a part-time job at the courthouse checking liens and property taxes for a title company. I know this woman, Sally Kern. When I saw the headlines and her picture, my stomach was just sick. She is a mother with a son who is gay. I really don't want to believe this is hate.

Remember Anita Bryant saying..

"As a mother, I know that homosexuals cannot biologically reproduce children; therefore, they must recruit our children."

Poort thing never recovered from that. The big hairdo just went flat.
3-15-2008 7:59 AM
alanocu
I think I just revealed the last part of my screen name: Alan-OCU; I've used alanocu since college at Oklahoma City University.
3-15-2008 1:57 PM
willhelm
She is a mother with a son who is gay. I really don't want to believe this is hate.
See what I mean? If You begin to label speech according to your own subjective filter, then you are making yourself no different than Sally Kerns. Your object of intolerance is just different.

If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all.
~ Noam Chomsky


3-15-2008 1:58 PM
willhelm
Your object of intolerance is just different.
Speaking hypotheticllay. Not at you in particular, alanocu.
3-15-2008 3:05 PM
debbyski
f You begin to label speech according to your own subjective filter, then you are making yourself no different than Sally Kerns. Your object of intolerance is just different.
Don't mistake Alanocu's compassion and positive approach to those who indeed do hate others as a agreement with this kind of logic. Who says we have to tolerate anyone who spreads this kind of a message about other human beings? Of course she has her "right" to free speech. And we have the right to tell her exactly how we feel too.
Ah Willhelm, you believe yourself to be such a master of the art of coming into clips and disrupting the meaning of the whole clip to twist it around to your own personal a...
3-15-2008 7:13 PM
dakotayii
Here is a link you might be interested in . There is a letter a kid wrote to Sally Kern :

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2008/03/a_brilliant_reply_to_sally_ker.php#more
3-15-2008 9:46 PM
alanocu
I've just been really upset about this all week. I can hardly see straight and I end up blubbering every time I play this video. I've sent my mother in Okla City 3 or 4 articles and links about this and received no reply, so I can only guess she agrees with Kern, I don't know.

dakotayii thanks for that link. I hadn't seen that until now. I really appreciate you finding that. Thank you!

I was in Oklahoma City on that horrible day when the bomb exploded downtown. It was just a few days before I graduated. I was walking outside to my car to go downtown at my internship at Merrill Lynch when the ground started to rumble underneath me. I honestly thought we had just experienced an eart...
3-15-2008 11:48 PM
willhelm
I am really sorry to hear that you do not have some closure or knowledge with regard to your mother's feelings, alanocu. I pray this gets resolved for you.
3-15-2008 11:51 PM
willhelm
By the way, thank you for editing the tags. My intention was not that you do so. I just wanted to throw-in my 2 cents on the dangers of labeling words as 'hate-speech".
3-16-2008 12:01 AM
willhelm
I sent an email to Ms Kern expressing my disgust and a link to this clip and comments. I hope you do not mind.
3-16-2008 5:09 AM
merrie
Sally Kern's bigotry is shameful and disgusting. Google
produced over 115 thousand entries and the first page was negative reports.
3-16-2008 5:18 AM
righthand
If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all.
~ Noam Chomsky
I believe that this great man's words have been badly abused here by a clipper. I hope it's out of an inability to read english rather than any malicious intent.

Chomsky is very clear and easily understood if read as written. He says clearly "for people we despise". We should not despise the person. Is says nothing about the words. Of course we must attack hate filled words while we should not despise the speaker/writer in person for the hate filled words.

I know I've explained this in greater detail than should be necessary for most, my complainee has a probl...
3-16-2008 11:40 AM
carrerinyes
I feel very sorry for her son. She may have to resign from office, her son cannot resign from son-hood. He must be broken-hearted and ashamed of his mother.
3-16-2008 9:52 PM
alanocu
Willhelm, thanks so much. You're right with regard to hate speech. I don't want to be guilty of the same, and I appreciate you pointing that out.

Thanks for all the good comments everyone.
3-16-2008 9:56 PM
alanocu
debbyski, you are always looking out for me, and I really appreciate that. It hearts my heart to hear Kern suggest things like 'recruiting' and some of those other things. It's just not like me at all.
3-16-2008 10:07 PM
debbyski
It's just not like me at all.
I know baby
3-17-2008 7:14 AM
alanocu
I meant to say above that 'It hurts my heart', not 'hearts my heart'. LOL!
3-17-2008 7:17 AM
debbyski
It hearts my heart was actually more beautiful. But I knew what you meant.
3-19-2008 4:48 PM
Kore7
I only just now found this clip. I am really sorry to hear of your loss in OC, Alan.

Thanks for bringing this matter to our attention.
3-20-2008 5:30 PM
NonStatQuo
I do not understand how she can feel so threatened by LOVE. And where is TOLERANCE?

How obnoxious to equate a Gay person with a terrorist.
I fully expected her to say next, that a person with aids was a terrorist and use the disease as a weapon in her rhetoric.

People like her need to be heard. If we don't hear them, we forget they exist. We become placid. If this woman put her energy towards education in schools without bias, maybe she would be the first person to learn something.

also, alan, sometimes mothers take a long time to come to terms with things, give her time. If not, move on, eventually the hurt will lessen and you will find plenty of people who will help heal any pain. I kno...
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